They've had fifty years to hone this language into something that sounds appealing. That's why it's so important to understand what they mean when they say things.
Yes, this is exactly it. I don't want to tell people what works for them. But I also don't want the public to pay for bible lessons. So idk what the standard should be, and it's that ambiguity which is why they're able to argue, 'don't discriminate against religion'. And this is of course a really big deal in education policy (although if they have their way all the other fields are catching up fast).
I don't care if the public pays for Bible-based help and assistance for the people that speaks to, as long as we have Torah-based help and Quran-based help and Buddha-based help and Hindu-based help and so on. We cannot favor one faith over the others.
And we need oversight and proper credentialing and reporting for those funds. AND THEY NEED TO PAY TAXES.
But that's not what Project 2025 is proposing. ALL help will be Christian Nationalist indoctrination, paid for by the taxpayer. My yoga classes will be satanic, where I am breathing in demons with the yogic breath. (I will write a paid-only post about that one sometime, but I'm not talking about it in public.) Seriously, I was taught I should never empty my mind (vis a vis meditation) because I was inviting demons to enter. Ok. I'll stop now. Paid post, Andra. Paid post.
Same premise as the school voucher scams, stealing taxpayer dollars to religious schools..... they don't have oversight either, and most of the teachers are not even certified, I'm speaking for Tennessee, none of these schools will fall under oversight from the Tennessee education.
:) To people who aren't religious the word 'demons' can actually have positive connotations so I like it. It's also making me think of Tibetan Buddhist art (not meant to be the same thing but to a Westerner if you put yoga and demons together that's what I'm thinking :)
What we're talking about here is what they say they are doing. What's in the post and in your last paragraph is what they're really doing. The whole thing, so much of Republican agenda, is a bait-and-switch.
Being liberal is hard. It's so much easier to just be certain one is right about everything.
I think a majority of Americans would disapprove of mandatory religious indoctrination. I am less sure of getting a majority to agree that scientifically based treatments - for whatever - are objectively better than other treatments. I don't know how many Americans understand what the scientific method is, and acceptance of it means basing conclusions on observable reality, which, somehow, seems too limiting to too many people. Essentially I don't know how many people accept that there is good reason to favor science over practices motivated by faith or other preferences, when deciding how to spend public money, for example. The median view might be 'freedom' for everyone to decide for themself between various options. Which can mean tax dollars for quackery (and this goes well beyond the areas discussed here, into things like environmental policy and agricultural policy, for example). Idk in the end how much better 'tax dollars for quackery' is than 'tax dollars for mandatory quackery'.
I'd personally love to have tax dollars to pay for my reiki healing sessions. Or my massage therapy. Or my yoga and meditation classes. Some say these things are quackery. They've all helped me more than praying and reading the Bible did. Christian Nationalists would say that's because I'm a godless specimen of a human being. But reality = human beings are complicated and complex. What works for me might not work for you.
I do think there's something to be said for having credentials, for proving you are qualified to do something. I don't think reading the Bible qualifies someone to be a therapist or addiction counselor or school counselor. So many of these outfits have no oversight or required credentials. (Same is true of other alternative forms of medicine/counseling/therapy.) So maybe we start there and agree upon what it means to be certified in quackery.
" secure your god-given rights to live freely". Total opposite. All their lies are so cloaked.
They've had fifty years to hone this language into something that sounds appealing. That's why it's so important to understand what they mean when they say things.
Yes, this is exactly it. I don't want to tell people what works for them. But I also don't want the public to pay for bible lessons. So idk what the standard should be, and it's that ambiguity which is why they're able to argue, 'don't discriminate against religion'. And this is of course a really big deal in education policy (although if they have their way all the other fields are catching up fast).
I don't care if the public pays for Bible-based help and assistance for the people that speaks to, as long as we have Torah-based help and Quran-based help and Buddha-based help and Hindu-based help and so on. We cannot favor one faith over the others.
And we need oversight and proper credentialing and reporting for those funds. AND THEY NEED TO PAY TAXES.
But that's not what Project 2025 is proposing. ALL help will be Christian Nationalist indoctrination, paid for by the taxpayer. My yoga classes will be satanic, where I am breathing in demons with the yogic breath. (I will write a paid-only post about that one sometime, but I'm not talking about it in public.) Seriously, I was taught I should never empty my mind (vis a vis meditation) because I was inviting demons to enter. Ok. I'll stop now. Paid post, Andra. Paid post.
Same premise as the school voucher scams, stealing taxpayer dollars to religious schools..... they don't have oversight either, and most of the teachers are not even certified, I'm speaking for Tennessee, none of these schools will fall under oversight from the Tennessee education.
It's the same in South Carolina. North Carolina, too.
:) To people who aren't religious the word 'demons' can actually have positive connotations so I like it. It's also making me think of Tibetan Buddhist art (not meant to be the same thing but to a Westerner if you put yoga and demons together that's what I'm thinking :)
What we're talking about here is what they say they are doing. What's in the post and in your last paragraph is what they're really doing. The whole thing, so much of Republican agenda, is a bait-and-switch.
Being liberal is hard. It's so much easier to just be certain one is right about everything.
Which is why that's what so many Americans are choosing. Certainty. Rightness. It's a featherbed.
Doesn't mean we aren't fighting the best fight for democracy and freedom.
I think a majority of Americans would disapprove of mandatory religious indoctrination. I am less sure of getting a majority to agree that scientifically based treatments - for whatever - are objectively better than other treatments. I don't know how many Americans understand what the scientific method is, and acceptance of it means basing conclusions on observable reality, which, somehow, seems too limiting to too many people. Essentially I don't know how many people accept that there is good reason to favor science over practices motivated by faith or other preferences, when deciding how to spend public money, for example. The median view might be 'freedom' for everyone to decide for themself between various options. Which can mean tax dollars for quackery (and this goes well beyond the areas discussed here, into things like environmental policy and agricultural policy, for example). Idk in the end how much better 'tax dollars for quackery' is than 'tax dollars for mandatory quackery'.
I'd personally love to have tax dollars to pay for my reiki healing sessions. Or my massage therapy. Or my yoga and meditation classes. Some say these things are quackery. They've all helped me more than praying and reading the Bible did. Christian Nationalists would say that's because I'm a godless specimen of a human being. But reality = human beings are complicated and complex. What works for me might not work for you.
I do think there's something to be said for having credentials, for proving you are qualified to do something. I don't think reading the Bible qualifies someone to be a therapist or addiction counselor or school counselor. So many of these outfits have no oversight or required credentials. (Same is true of other alternative forms of medicine/counseling/therapy.) So maybe we start there and agree upon what it means to be certified in quackery.