Thank you for this. Agree the Unitarian and Congregationalist don’t get involved. Agree about conservative Episcopal and Lutherans. My Episcopal church is liberal will marry LGBTQIA but another conservative Episcopal church a few miles away will not. The rector welcomes the gay community to attend but that’s about it. Crazy 🤪 but it is what it is.
I hear you when I left the Catholic Church my church was kayaking, yoga, hiking and doing artsy stuff. :) I may make my way to Unitarian. Its a process. It was the United Methodist church. 20-30% left on the LGBTQIA+ issue (2023). They no longer call themself United MC. Just The Methodist church of ___. A few months ago since the split the United Methodist Church passed a resolution to allow gay pastors officially. Before it was a don't ask don't tell situation. A nice outcome of the split. ✨✨
Excellent article. Thanks for all your hard work 💕🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️. Happy Pride!
I have a question. What do Christian Nationalists call themselves? I’m curious. It’s a movement do they tend to be Southern Baptist, Mormon etc. I hope I’m asking correctly it not a denomination. Maybe you wrote a piece about that.
I answered this question in a comment ages ago, but it will be easier to answer you here than find it. Haha.
Christian Nationalists are a coalition of far-right Catholics and Protestants. They include Dominionists. I grew up independent Baptist (I'd put virtually 100% of them in the CN camp), but definitely Southern Baptists, many Church of God congregations, and more conservative Methodists and Presbyterians. I don't *think* Unitarians and Congregationalists get mixed up in this nonsense, but conservative Episcopalians and Lutherans may.
There has also been an explosion of nondenominational churches since I stopped attending church. Many of those churches also espouse Christian Nationalist views and have personality-cult-type pastors.
And as I said to Coquí, this is a marriage of convenience. As soon as they seize power, they will start fighting about whose religion is going to rule over us all, because they profoundly disagree about who is really going to heaven. Having spent today in the town where the first Spanish Inquisitor oversaw the torture and execution of countless Muslims, Jews, and anyone else who refused to convert to Catholicism, it is really imperative that we get more people to take this threat seriously. I'm going to write a newsletter about it next week.
But I said this in my newsletter on originalism: They use "what the founders meant" as their legal sub for "it's what the Bible says, so that's God's law." It forces the same thought-terminating cliched conversations on us.
Concerning the impact on non-LGBTQ+ married folks: what's to stop CNs from deciding that existing married couples who were not married by one of their "approved" pastors is actually living in sin, with all the legal ramifications that I'm sure they'll concoct in short order. That would include anyone married by secular Justices of the Peace, Catholic priests, or Rabbis. Kids from those unions taken away to go into newly created CN orphanages, probably headed up by Betsy DeVos. I wish I was merely trolling here, but I wouldn't put it past them to pull this. The Bible doesn't have grandfather clauses for "sinful" behavior, does it?
The Catholic Church already does this. Marriage is a sacrament. If someone converts to Catholicism, for example, I believe the church requires them to do this sacrament with a priest for their marriage to be recognized. I have so much more to say on this topic and have rearranged my schedule for the coming week to do it.
Because you’re right. The Bible doesn’t have a statute of limitations on “sin.”
Thank you for this. Agree the Unitarian and Congregationalist don’t get involved. Agree about conservative Episcopal and Lutherans. My Episcopal church is liberal will marry LGBTQIA but another conservative Episcopal church a few miles away will not. The rector welcomes the gay community to attend but that’s about it. Crazy 🤪 but it is what it is.
If I ever went back to church, I'd probably be Unitarian. But church these days is a good long walk or a yoga session or, heck, a good night's sleep.
Didn't the Episcopal Church USA split over the LGBTQIA+ issue?
I hear you when I left the Catholic Church my church was kayaking, yoga, hiking and doing artsy stuff. :) I may make my way to Unitarian. Its a process. It was the United Methodist church. 20-30% left on the LGBTQIA+ issue (2023). They no longer call themself United MC. Just The Methodist church of ___. A few months ago since the split the United Methodist Church passed a resolution to allow gay pastors officially. Before it was a don't ask don't tell situation. A nice outcome of the split. ✨✨
Very nice.
Excellent article. Thanks for all your hard work 💕🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️. Happy Pride!
I have a question. What do Christian Nationalists call themselves? I’m curious. It’s a movement do they tend to be Southern Baptist, Mormon etc. I hope I’m asking correctly it not a denomination. Maybe you wrote a piece about that.
I answered this question in a comment ages ago, but it will be easier to answer you here than find it. Haha.
Christian Nationalists are a coalition of far-right Catholics and Protestants. They include Dominionists. I grew up independent Baptist (I'd put virtually 100% of them in the CN camp), but definitely Southern Baptists, many Church of God congregations, and more conservative Methodists and Presbyterians. I don't *think* Unitarians and Congregationalists get mixed up in this nonsense, but conservative Episcopalians and Lutherans may.
There has also been an explosion of nondenominational churches since I stopped attending church. Many of those churches also espouse Christian Nationalist views and have personality-cult-type pastors.
And as I said to Coquí, this is a marriage of convenience. As soon as they seize power, they will start fighting about whose religion is going to rule over us all, because they profoundly disagree about who is really going to heaven. Having spent today in the town where the first Spanish Inquisitor oversaw the torture and execution of countless Muslims, Jews, and anyone else who refused to convert to Catholicism, it is really imperative that we get more people to take this threat seriously. I'm going to write a newsletter about it next week.
Whatever they are, they have NO idea what the founders wanted. And the founders had no idea how off the rails people would get.
Thank you for identifying the denominations involved.
But I said this in my newsletter on originalism: They use "what the founders meant" as their legal sub for "it's what the Bible says, so that's God's law." It forces the same thought-terminating cliched conversations on us.
Concerning the impact on non-LGBTQ+ married folks: what's to stop CNs from deciding that existing married couples who were not married by one of their "approved" pastors is actually living in sin, with all the legal ramifications that I'm sure they'll concoct in short order. That would include anyone married by secular Justices of the Peace, Catholic priests, or Rabbis. Kids from those unions taken away to go into newly created CN orphanages, probably headed up by Betsy DeVos. I wish I was merely trolling here, but I wouldn't put it past them to pull this. The Bible doesn't have grandfather clauses for "sinful" behavior, does it?
The Catholic Church already does this. Marriage is a sacrament. If someone converts to Catholicism, for example, I believe the church requires them to do this sacrament with a priest for their marriage to be recognized. I have so much more to say on this topic and have rearranged my schedule for the coming week to do it.
Because you’re right. The Bible doesn’t have a statute of limitations on “sin.”